Guru's Quickdraw Opinions

I've never used one of these and I think I would have to handle it first before I bought one. Looks interesting tough.

I does look cool, and in theory it would be great, im just trying to find some one thats used it before or maybe an opinion from katie, im sure she has atleast seen it.

I never seen that before. Looks weird!! Stick to the good old Petzl draws, is my vote.

I've seen those before. I know of people who are short and use it because the need an extra inch or so to get to the bolt. It also is great if you need to chicken-clip a bolt. But other than that, I don't think it has any other benefit. I haven't done whole lot of research on it, so I can't talk to the strength of the clip, or if it's more or less safe than a normal biner. But for the most part, normal draws work so why change a good thing? I would agree with Katie. Love Petzl draws. Just can't afford them, so I have to use my Black Diamonds.

It looks like you need perfect aim to make it attach. I prefer a wide hand/arm swipe at the anchor and let the biner catch it and clip. No need to mess with a good thing. How many of you bought a rack full of 'revolvers as biner replacements? And now this? I'm about geared' out these days with updated stuff.

I don't know. It kinda scares me, of course, I fear change. 125 grams is a little on the heavey side. I do, however, really want one to play with. Free shwag product review? BTW Nice plug Katie :)
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You basically clip it from the bottom of the bolt. You snap the claw open when you pull it off your harness. And then you reach up and as the bolt enters the claw, there's a lever that snaps it shut around the draw. It's kind of hard to explain. But the idea is that with a regular biner, you have to be able to touch the bolt to clip it (well, not really, but pretty close). With this one, you can grab the draw at the base of the claw, or even the webbing, and push it up onto the bolt. So, you can still be about 3-4 inches below the bolt, and still clip it.

Again, don't own one, never used one, haven't read up on it. I've just see them at the crag every so often and seen a couple people who use them. I think it's one of those things that you have to be in a specific situation where it would be more beneficial than a quickdraw. I guess if you had one handy, you might find a situation where you'd be thankful that you have one. But again, draws are light, cheap, and pretty universal If you have a brand that you're partial to, why change?

I'm with you GB, in little need of change in my climbing style. So next is to carry a short collapsable hiking pole, with a 'cheater stick' biner attachment on the end, so you can reach up a few feet for each clip. And if you happen to cut your arm off in a slot canyon, you can have any length mechanical arm designed with various attachments. AND if you just happen to have suffered a Hugh Herr type of accident, then you will have those telescoping magnesium and titanium legs for loooong steps, with tiny wedge shaped rubber footies for edges and jams. More gear! More gear! We will ourselves, become 'Transformers' in our effort to make climbing easier by accepting all available technology. Where will it end?

I agree with all of you, and i hate change as well. My wive bought me a trango Cinch and i was so scared to use it just becasue it was different. These "frogs" just look really cool and im in the market for a new set of draws. I so want to try it but just not ready to but my life in the hands of something ive never seen. I will probably go with katie on this one and just get a new set of petzl draws, but i think i will buy one of the frogs because it would be great for clipping the first bolt in some of the places i climb here in the springs.

Thanks everyone for the advice and opinions.

I like to stick to my metolious or DMM draws.

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I agree with getting one to make stick clipping easier. Although for that price, you can get a Trango Squid and be able to unclip it. As cool as this thing is, I like the flexibility of "regular" draws.

I like my BD draws. But I got them cheap cheap cheap!
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One advantage I can see to this is cleaning an overhanging route. These look like they'd be really easy to unclip from a bolt when the rope is pulling on it.

Those Frogs are for specialized situations. Definitely wouldn't want a whole set of those contraptions. I do like Kong carabiners though and I have Kong wire gate carabiners on the rope end of my draws. IMO the lighter the better and that means wire gate carabiners. Dyneema cord is good to. If you are looking to order from Bentgate I would go with the Wild Country's: http://store.bentgate.com/hewiqubydmm.html or the BD's: http://store.bentgate.com/quho18qubybl.html or if you are wanting to save some $$$ the Omega's: http://store.bentgate.com/fiwiqubyom.html
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Late in the opinion stage, but I agree with Katie somewhat. Stick to the reliable and simple. Simond Spider Draws are 7 bucks cheaper, 12g lighter, and apparently 3kn stronger. They're simple draws and can be used for anchors or whatever. They even look sleek and sexy (er...cough). I like simple. (Now I feel like a saleswoman.)

think truello has a point there for the unclip. and I confess to buying One of many new things just to try it. but I have no interest in this gadget so far. QD's are fine for me.

Wow CHp, you're right! This is one SEXY quick draw! OOOOOO-yeah.

I'm into wire gates now days. so this one is sooooo passe'.

wires rock!!

RR, check out Mammut's wires on campmor. they're on sale.
the new Madrock biners are pretty nice actually although I don't care too much for their shoes.

yeah now and then Campmor has some good 'biner sales going on for sure. I keep an eye on them, gearexpress and Mountaingear for good deals.